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A no-nonsense car, anyone?

7 Apr '07
Text: Bijoy Kumar Y
Photos: Pablo Chaterji

Looks like the Mahindras have got their first passenger car spot-on

A no-nonsense car, anyone?

I remember interviewing Anand Mahindra almost a decade ago. The Scorpio was still a dream then and he assured me that he was not born with a silver spanner in his hand. But he quickly added that passion alone won't take Mahindra from being a utility vehicle maker to a modern car maker.

Sure, the company went on to develop the Scorpio, a more modern SUV than what they were making till then. The Scorpio's runaway success should have made Anand Mahindra think that they could get on with a proper passenger car project on their own. Instead, he decided to tie the knot with Renault two  years ago. And for good reason too. Building a modern, monocoque passenger vehicle was Mahindra's strength and the company and its vendors needed to learn the art. It needed huge investments to put up a new, different kind of factory, and more importantly, there was no time to waste on developing an all-new car from scratch. Renault had already developed the Logan, a car that was conceived as a low-cost yet contemporary automotive package for developing markets. It started its life as a Dacia in Romania (a subsidiary of Renault) where it was a huge success, and even spoilt west Europeans liked the idea of a no-frills yet no-nonsense automobile. Though it was developed as a 5,000-euro car, it retails at around 6,500 euros in various European markets today.

 So why should Renault offer the Logan to Mahindra? Simple, the French giant could not ignore the Indian market for long and they wanted to learn – with an Indian partner preferably – the skills that are required to build affordable cars in a sustained manner. The current joint venture for building the Logan is for just 50,000 cars, and it may or may not get extended. Perhaps Mahindra will continue to build the Logan and pay Renault a royalty for some time. In the meanwhile, the Renault-Nissan combine will have its own car plant and new small car projects on stream. As for Mahindra, they would have a smooth entry into the passenger car market with a car that is 'right' from day one and they can build on this strength and make more passenger car models in the future.

With that necessary preface done with, let us get on with our test drive of the Mahindra Renault Logan – the top end DLS diesel version that costs Rs 6.44 lakh ex-showroom Mumbai.  

Strength

Make no mistake, this is a car built to a price. And the Indian version sticks to the brief like glue. The design is not like any of the contemporary Renaults since the thinking when the Logan was conceived, was a car that looked as robust as it actually was. Mahindra can be happy that like their proven utes, the Logan is a sturdy machine. It is evident the way the doors shut, how the car rides over bad roads, skims over speed-breakers and how it tackles corners. There is nothing flimsy about this machine. And then there is space – lots of it. An airy cabin with the feel accentuated by pre-tanned grainy plastic (again, lots of it), lots of elbow and head room (bring on the turbans) and a rear bench seat that can actually seat three make it a class leader. We drove a diesel car close to 600 km before filing this report, and that too, over all kinds of roads and we came back impressed.

Fit and finish of the car, despite a very labour intensive manufacturing process which makes it affordable, is second to none. This car is absolutely well put together. The powertrain (imported for the time being) felt indestructible too in a way traditional engines did. The gear ratios are suited for commuting and we were surprised how easy the diesel was to drive on congested Mumbai roads. The improved airconditioner did a good job of keeping the commute cool. Getting in and out of the car is easy and seats are good for three-hour stints.

Another strength area is economy – Mahindra Renault claims 18 kpl on the highway and our Logan actually returned 20 kpl easily. Brilliant indeed. The petrol models are supposed to return 10-13 kpl but we are yet to drive them.

The Logan is contemporary when it comes to crashworthiness. And the company has offered driver-side airbags as standard fitment for the top-end models. Way to go.

Weakness

Some of its strengths are unfortunately its weaknesses too. Sure it does not look like a car built to a price, but to a trained eye, the cost-cutting is obvious. As a design despite the space, the Logan does not break any new moulds. During my commute, no one particularly noticed the car (the fact that I was driving a black one didn't help either) and mind you, I was driving one of the only four or five Logans on Mumbai roads – our test Zen Estilo got more heads turning. Maybe Renault could have made a car that could have become iconic – like the VW Beetle and the Citroen 2CV – but then most of us would have stayed away from it.

Then there are the details. The dials, for example, do not have red lines marked on them so that they can be sourced for both diesel and petrol variants. Power window switches are housed on the central console so that the doors can be assembled without any electrical wiring. There are no alloy wheels – not even for the top-end models.

There are ergonomic issues too, like oddly placed aircon controls, a bottle holder that comes in the way of the gear lever and a steering wheel that may not be comfortable to reach for those who are vertically challenged.

The common-rail diesel engine which displaces 1461cc to develop 65 bhp at 4000 rpm and 16 kgm of torque at 2000 rpm was too brand new to be evaluated. That meant it sounded tad too harsh for comfort and didn't have the energy to handle a fast highway drive. The Logan cruises well, but needs to be whipped to get moving at appreciable velocities. While 6.7 seconds for a 60 kph run is not so bad for an yet to be run-in diesel, 18.7 seconds for 100 kph is not something you want to write Paris about. As mentioned earlier, while the engine is good for economy and the gearbox for ratios, refinement and power delivery are areas where the powertrain does not excel in.

It would have been nice to see ABS being offered, at least as an option. As an active safety feature, ABS is a must-have on Indian roads and one can only hope to see it being offered soon as an option across the model range.

Opportunity

The Logan range starts from Rs 4.28 lakh for the base petrol model which has airconditioning but no power steering to the top-end price tags of Rs 5.69 lakh for the 1.6-litre petrol and Rs 6.44 lakh for the diesel – these models feature power steering, airconditioning and a driver-side airbag. In between come the GLE and DLE versions, at Rs 4.72 lakh for the 1.4-litre petrol with aircon and power steering and Rs 5.47 lakh for the 1.5 dCi with aircon and power steering. The top-end models get power windows all round, but the mid models get them only for the front seats. In short, the car should appeal to anyone who is planning to buy anything, from the top-of-the-line Hyundai Santro and Suzuki Wagon R to the Suzuki Swift and Hyundai Getz to the Honda City and Ford Fiesta. The top-end petrol model with a 1.6-litre engine is a whopping Rs 1.5 lakh cheaper than a City while the premium diesel variant is a clean Rs 1 lakh cheaper than a Fiesta TDCi – yes, it looks like moving 50,000 units won't be a problem for the Indo-French combine. But the real opportunity for Mahindra is in the form of their newly acquired car making skills – they got a good product to begin their passenger car innings with and can concentrate on building the brand instead of thinking of 'improved' versions of the same car. And they don't have to feel guilty of selling an under-developed product on unsuspecting buyers.

Threat

The imminent threat is in the form of the last generation cars in the C-segment that still soldier on, starting from the Maruti Suzuki Esteem, Hyundai Accent, Ford Ikon, and of course, to the Tata Indigo. These cars retail right in the price range of the Logan today, and their makers can afford to slash a few thousands off their price tags easily. Another worry can be the unknown quantity that Renault is to prospective buyers. Sure, Fernando Alonso won two world championships driving a particularly fast Renault recently, but most of us are still trying to pronounce Renault without the 't'. As far as brand perception goes, Mahindra is certainly not where Honda is in the Indian passenger car scenario either.

Another area of concern is the after-sales facilities offered by Mahindra dealers. Yes, Scorpio owners are a similar lot, but the fact remains that Mahindra dealers have not dealt with modern passenger cars and their more sophisticated owners. As we have seen with Fiat in India, lack of good after-sales can kill even a good product.

To sum up

This is a textbook execution of a passenger car project in a developing market. Right product, right manufacturing strategy, right risk mitigation exercises and right pricing and packaging. We were in fact surprised to see a phased launch programme with a booking system. As for the product, this is as honest a low-cost yet mainstream car can get. Anything below would have meant compromising on safety and quality and anything above would have meant adapting yet another Euro hatch for Indian roads and losing money on every car sold. If you are looking for a well-built car that can offer excellent economy, then the Logan diesel is where your hunt should end.

As you can see, Anand Mahindra has steered his firm towards the lucrative, sophisticated world of passenger cars in a careful, clever way. Oh, and I didn't see anyone wielding silver spanners at his Nashik plant.



Comments (64)

Lousy looking car and Rubbish article

Posted by Shyam on Tue, 17 April 2007 (permalink)
Comon Mate, Even if you have interviewd AM 10 years back, Scorpio or even logan for that matter are hopeless products in the market. No legroom, lousy plastics, A/c vents are flimsy placed.....name it all....Scorpio has all the flaws....It resembles the politians who drive them often...All fart and bullshit.One look at logan is again the same old crap. Mahindra or the Birla's never a good car for the country. Their M&M's 540 DP or MAX all have an irregular frame. When you look at them from the back, it looks as if the entire chassis has a flaw. M&M should call this new car "Logan the taxi..." and sell only in white color to all the taxi companies. Atleast it will replace the aging ikon or the accident prone Indica.I don't understand why none of the indian car manufacturers can provide a quality car like the Japs or the europeans.

Renault is keeping the best to itself

Posted by dm on Tue, 17 April 2007 (permalink)
Renault has a good small car the clio. instead of bringing the clio hatch into the indian market, it is bringing the dacia spec logan. I would definintely say an indigo is better suited to India than a logan. Atleast the skoda had labelled its cars skoda in India and not as VW, but you are branding a Dacia as a Renault. We are not buying labels but cars.

Raj

Posted by Raj on Tue, 17 April 2007 (permalink)
Shyam, I bet you neother drove the car or even saw the car. This car is not designed in India, this is a europian car. Again what do u mean by "Taxi". the executive cars in india can found as taxis in eurpoe or japan (these days even in india ;-)) at leset Mahindra gave us a car stright from eurpose, unlike the ford and GM where they put a boot to their small eurpoian cars. count the good ones, like the ABS, Common rain diesel engine, Air Bag, .. where you can find these features in a B segment car.

Mr

Posted by Matt1 on Tue, 17 April 2007 (permalink)
Shyam, I feel you are going overboard there with the criticism. Every product in the market can be considered crap according to some criteria or the other. Scorpio, despite all its flaws, is extremely popular. So the market wants it. Companies make cars the market will buy, not what the enthusiasts will fawn over. Logan - it has extremely popular wherever it sold. This is what the market wanted, and AM is providing it. I wanted the RD350, BMW f650 and Fiat Palio 1.6 GTX - the market did not want them, and they did not sell. There are 'quality' cars like the Honda City or top end Swift or Corolla or Camry or Accord in India. Logan is a quality car for a market which wants a value for money trouble-free car. Companies can't come out with Mercs and BMWs at Indigo prices just because a few enthusiasts want them. Don't bother bringing Mahindra's old Jeep-variants. They belong to a different era. If you were in AM's shoes, you would produce the Logan too.

Orthodontist

Posted by Dr P.C.Sunil on Tue, 17 April 2007 (permalink)
With the imminent launch of the Maruti SX4 for about 6 to 7 lakh who would consider plonking their hard earned money on the Logan. I for one would prefer to go the MarutiSX4 way or wait for the Fiat Linea with hopefully a non-Chinese engine if I were looking for a sedan even if either of these cars were a lakh more expensive than the Logan. One can make cars to a cost but then that would entail coying up to TAXI operators and if Mahindra are eying the fleet operators then I believe they have got this car spot on but if mass market sales is to be achieved they should have given the Logan more oomph factor. To make best sellers in India you have to cater to the heart and the head with a bit of black magic added in good measure. Till the Indian industry conjures up another best seller I will be content in prancing around in my GTX(the heart rules here). Bye and wear your seat belts.

Too expensive

Posted by yilavarasan on Wed, 18 April 2007 (permalink)
Mahindra Renault has attempted to adopt the age-old/obsolete Maruti's principle of bringing cheap/obsolete technology from abroad and selling it at the price of Gold. Those days have gone. Logan cannot sell at this price, when the European Logan is less than half of this price.

mr

Posted by kmj on Wed, 18 April 2007 (permalink)
well, i think that the car looks like a coffin. i have seen the logan here in the netherlands and I must say that most of them are taxis. If the diesel model was prices about 20 or 30 k below the indigo diesel then I would say its a great buy. This car is meant for a person who just wants to get from point A to B. I would rather buy the esteem than buy the petrol Logan.

Sensible

Posted by Rahul S on Wed, 18 April 2007 (permalink)
I would like to congratulate Bijoy Kumar Y on a very balanced article on the Logan. This kind of article gives a clear idea to the reader and the prospective buyer - I would leave alone the automobile critic here:-) It is a very sensible idea Mr. Anand Mahendra has put to practice by teaming up with Renault for the launch of M&Ms first car, sensible why because when the hatch back market is so crowded and think of so many people who would like to go on to a bigger car from their Maruti / Santro. With the range of models AM has assured that there is something for every one - the second buyer (who wants to upgrade) and the first car buyer - who can start off with a bigger car with the price tag they are offering. It is definitely just not an alternative of Indigo / Esteem, my hunch says Logan would be a car for the no - frills buyer who wants to get on with the game and not fuss much about "I HAVE GOT A CAR".

Mahindra

Posted by Siddhartha Kundu on Wed, 18 April 2007 (permalink)
Well....So far in my opinion all Mahindra models resemble their tractors in some way or the other..Their most admired Scorpio is no far better...with loud engine and terrible suspension..Overall body finish is very bad with huge big gaps between panels.. Logan looks just like a "Third World Car" meant for impovrished African countries !!!..But look at its competitors....Antiques.tht are discontinued every where else like .Esteem, Acsent & the very ugly IKON.. The question is how long we Indians are gonna pay PREMIUM prices for such garbage that are either for 3rd world market or scrapped out in civilized world!!!

Disappointed...

Posted by Rutvij Shah on Fri, 20 April 2007 (permalink)
The car looks very disappointing. Every car in India is built to a price. But only Logan looks like a one which is built to a price. Every wellread person knows that this is a car developed to a price and for third world countries. I guess here Mahindra has got its pricing wrong. Base models may do well in semi-urban & rural areas where people are not brand concious. But in metros it will be a rare to see it on roads.

What a let down!!

Posted by Joe Thomas on Sat, 21 April 2007 (permalink)
"Unimpressive & frustratingly basic". It looked like something my 6 yr old nephew draws in his art class. Expectations were high, knowing that this was the first step Renault were making into the Indian market..but alas what we get to see now is sad testament. There are so many cars out there made to a budget ......... even my "bumble bee" shaped Indica looks better that the damn Logan. I feel the Logan team has got their home work all wrong. What's most alarming is that they dont seem to have a clue about how competition is going to chew their backside off. Renault ....... put your BEST foot forward ... not just waddle your way into the Indian market ..... have you guys not learnt anything from the Fiat debacle in India ......... WAKE UP !! lest it be rude awakening ... Cheers!! Joe

Mr.

Posted by M.Raghunatha Chary on Mon, 23 April 2007 (permalink)
It is a mixed bag for the Indian market. Mahindras, could have done better is what the feeling I left after inspecting the Logan in Bangalore. The tech specs apart, the interiors ask for more. Getting into the car is a bit vertical challenge. While the engine did give a good power performance, the electric panels and gear shaft are little disappointing. May Mahindras quickly get to correcting little these flaws to make it really woth the car else, Indigo still could be better off.

Mr

Posted by Nitesh on Mon, 23 April 2007 (permalink)
Hello guys, I have test driven and booked the Logan 1.5 DLS (Diesel) and following are the reasons for the same - 1) Its a successful and proven car in Europe having sold some 4.5 lakh cars and is further being introduced in more countries like South Africa. 2) CRDI engine with a mileage of 18KMPL, so i get the smooth driving comfort of a petrol car at the cost of diesel with a very good mileage. 3) Lots of Space, good headroom, huge boot space, driving comfort for a tall guy like me due to good legroom. Good ground clearance specially required for indian roads. 4) I agree with most of the comments thats it is not a beautiful car and power wise it is low, but it gives me a good features, good proven engine, lots of space and low running cost. 5) 2 good companies like Renault and Mahindra involved, am assured of the after sales service. The success of Scorpio adds on to my belief. I would appreciate further feedback on my analysis, as I could be wrong.

M&M has done a 309 now

Posted by Shyam on Tue, 24 April 2007 (permalink)
Dear All, India is moving towards quality car launches like the swift or the city...new in tech and new in shape and new in all. There is no point building a accent look-a-like in 2007 while the accent itself is over a decade old..even ikon for that matter. When the entire automotive industry is making progress in shape and size finally..there we have an Indian fool rolling out the Logan. Frugal diesel engine or even a great body or even a great mileage....an middle age woman cannot be a teenager. You to have appeal to the mass in each segment...just a box+engine is not sufficient. We need new looks, new colours and new models..

konar

Posted by Ritam on Wed, 25 April 2007 (permalink)
At last the european cars r finally making to india. Contradicting the popular belief, they have shown that great cars can be made at quite a resonable cost. Hope this will heat up the competition. cars in india r priced much more than what they must be. r u listening maruti?

CARtoon

Posted by Sriram on Thu, 26 April 2007 (permalink)
Hi guys out there, I checked out the Logan on the day of its launch and the dealers here - India Garage ( in Blr) were not very enthused about its launch I suppose!! They were cold and were treating customers the way they treat SUV buyers. The logan though looked impressive for the price quoted until I took a test drive. The diesel engine was a bit of a drag - huffed and puffed with the AC on...then picked up after taking a breath!! the space is big, the trims are ordinary, the control panels are out of sight, - poor detailing in order to save that cost. Power steering is hard. Mileage seems proven in diesel, not in petrol. Overall great expectations not met, expect for the price. Only time will tell how this car will do - its advisable to just logout of logan for sometime!

Mr

Posted by Vishwanath on Thu, 26 April 2007 (permalink)
I went thru Bijoy's review and also Shyam's mail and then decided to take a test drive to check things out for myself and here is my report .. Appeals to the head and is fantastic value for money. I have put my money where my mouth is and booked a 1.4 Petrol. I cant understand how Shyam here classifies the Swift as a "quality car" ?? a Getz has far better space and is much more comfortable and practical. A car has to have more solid qualities than just an interesting shape in order to classify as a "quality car". Similarly , one cant condemn a car as a "hopeless product" just because it does not turn heads . Lets have more depth in the criticisms mate ! For this kind of money, name another car that you can get that is as spacious , solidy built, and has this kind of boot space and a comparable ride quality ?? .. in fact I cant even see the wisdom of spending an extra 3L on a Honda City !!

Esp for Vishwanath

Posted by Shyam on Fri, 27 April 2007 (permalink)
Dear Reader(s), Mr. Vishwanath is right,he has put his money where his mouth is and he is also right Swift is not a great car, getz is better, They are both quality cars my friend. But Logan is not. I did take the test drive too, not even near the FIAT UNO Diesel mate. See you all missing my point. If you want to buy a car for a price, then you might as well buy a quality AMBI with all the works done from Coimbatore, Plush interiors,Koya seats, 2L Isuzu imported and etc, But when you buy a new car, you need new generation, not a accent look alike in 2007. You need a clio or the Grand punto or the SX4

Esp for Shyam

Posted by Vishwanath on Fri, 27 April 2007 (permalink)
Dear Shyam .. you are missing my point. An Ambi is born with birth defects that no shop in Coimbatore can rectify anymore than any doctor can cure someone who is brain dead.. and so no point in going on about a "quality Ambi". However a Logan just cannot be talked about in the same context. A Fiat Uno Diesel is a good car, but to say that the Logan is "nowhere near it" is a completely biased observation. As far as a clio or the Grand punto or the SX4 go , Iam sure they are "quality" cars , but do they offer the same space and comfort and build at a comparable price ?? remains to be seen. I for one wouldnt plonk 2 or 3 lakhs extra just for more contemporary looks that within the next six months is not so contemporary after all.

Mr

Posted by Neil on Mon, 30 April 2007 (permalink)
Listen Mr.. Mr... For all trhat crap about the masses wanting the Scorpio... do they (we) have a choice, we either buy the distorted looking other jeep (Sumo) or the terribly bouncy ones (Gypsy,Classic). Lets face it, we are FORCED to buy the product, else we will be too old to want one when it finally arrives. Bajaj and Fiat, Mahindra included need to be sued for all the pollution their vehicles have been producing in India for generations..

CONFUSION

Posted by K Ravindra on Tue, 01 May 2007 (permalink)
I am in great confusion that whether LOGAN is economical or costly . For 6.44 Lacs I get a BOXY looking diesel sedan which is NOT MADE FOR INDIANS. Don't surprise, the wiper system of front-glass is suitable for left hand drive system as of in European or American countries. Here in India we have Right Hand Drive system and during rain the driver would have quite difficulty in looking right side of the front way, this could result in to serious accident. Perhaps Mahindra has ignored the modification for us to save cost,even switches of Lights, Indicators, Wipers etc. are not modified to suit we Indian,it's on "ulta" side. you can't operate indicators before turning while shiftig gears as because both operation will need your left hand only. In Europe the high end equivalent version of Logan Diesel is priced below Rs.5Lac, but for us it's 1.5Lac dearer, why?When Maruti will launch SWIFT SEDAN and its price would be around 1Lac plus on current SWIFT price, then?

Logan out IKON in

Posted by ROHIT MEHROTRA on Wed, 02 May 2007 (permalink)
I meant for people whose budget is around 5.5lacs on road. At this price I had to hunt for a three box with above average looks, and unlike all my dear friends who termed Ikon as an aging car, I found flair as the best option fitting my bill. Accent is old no doubt but NOT IKON. At the same price of ikon flair we get a logan which is not even having a power steering!( what are we buying?? crap??) Lastly, Ikon flair may be old, but Old is gold friends...don u agree?? Wear ur seatbelts and comments invited from all Happy driving...and yes Logan sucks big time!! Regards Rohit

The philosophy behind the Renault Logan

Posted by JLS on Thu, 03 May 2007 (permalink)
It is quite easy to fault Mahindra (and by inference, Renault) on their new Logan. What needs to be understood is that it was never meant to be a fancy or flashy car. Just a basic and CHEAP but sturdy, spacious, and no-nonsense car for developing markets. By virtue of its size, it needed to compete with mid-sized Indian cars like Indigo, Accent, Ikon, Esteem, etc. Therefore it was spruced up compared to the Euro-spec car. Notice the body-coloured fenders and much better fascia. You can read about the "idea" behind the car in this article: http://www.roconsulboston.com/Pages/InfoPages/Businesspages/Renault.html

Mr.

Posted by Asif Iqbal on Fri, 04 May 2007 (permalink)
Hi, Logan's huge dimensions will put2 shame all the cars up2 Rs 10lac & if better seats w lumbar support are offered even as an option, It can sell like Alto in midsize car segment. Good Job Mahindra anyways. Forget the fact that it's long been the cheapest sedan made by romanian co.: DACIA with same name LOGAN & decade old SAME styling!!!

Mr.

Posted by Asif Iqbal on Fri, 04 May 2007 (permalink)
Hi, Logan's huge dimensions will put2 shame all the cars up2 Rs 10lac & if better seats w lumbar support are offered even as an option, It can sell like Alto in midsize car segment. Good Job Mahindra anyways. Forget the fact that it's long been the cheapest sedan made by romanian co.: DACIA with same name LOGAN & decade old SAME styling!!!

For all against Logan...

Posted by Ravi.. on Fri, 04 May 2007 (permalink)
Tell me 1 thing, wat wud u buy for 5 Lakh onroad price if not Logan. I don't see sedan look car in 5 lakh in dis segment.i know u must be saying Indigo and Ikon. Indigo - Never trust Tata on Petrol(what if i want 2 buy petrol only).Tata means diesel & GLX model is not comparable to logan. Then comes your Ikon - u can not compare logan with Ikon when it comes 2 space.Logan is far more spacious than Ikon. I test ride Ikon too but got to agree with one thing, Never trust Ford for their Maintenance cost..nothing in 100's, everything in 1000's.. I believe Logan with all its flaws out there is still a value for money for those who want to buy a sedan rather buying themselves..santro/wagon R/Getz/Swift-small cars..You got to say its money savor...don't listen to Big Pocketers they won't like it as they're currently driving a better expensive car so why you guys making opinion on Cheaper cars Rest decision is yours

Logan out IKON in

Posted by N.Vishwanath on Fri, 04 May 2007 (permalink)
Interesting comment Rohit. Very true .. I was on a budget of 5.5 L and did consider an ikon (1.3). But the Logan 1.4 petrol with power steering retails for around the same on road price here at Thane. I quite like the ikon's looks but my wife doesnt. A quick comparo and the Logan was a good bit more spacious, had more boot space and also provided a better ride quality on the atrocious roads out here , which is what tilted my choice in its favour. Looks are subjective .. I remember when the Maruti 1000 came out in the early 90's everyone used to gape at it. It retailed for around 4L I think and I met an army officer who was so smitten that he used up his entire provident fund just to buy one !! who gives an Esteem a second look now?

Logan....Let's Log-In

Posted by Rahul on Sun, 06 May 2007 (permalink)
Just checked out Mahindra Logon 1.4 (Petrol) and felt like its better than the rest at this price (Pune). Mahindra Logon Indigo GLS Maruti Esteem GLE 1.4 471,915 Price: Rs. 458293 Lxi 476916 Logon for its space, engine refinement, ride quality..dont forget that tata Indigo is prefered for 2 things, 1. VFM and 2. Space. If Logon, at a bit higher price as compared with Indigo, gives you all that Indio gives and is much more better in terms of driving and back seat comfort...why not go for it???

RIP OFF

Posted by sanjay singh on Mon, 07 May 2007 (permalink)
certain Car manufacturers have started taking indians for a ride,[hahahaha...pun intended]s they pick cheapest cars as Ckd units and avail duty benifits and sell to indians, if mahindra had invested in building the car in india the car would come at half the price, by agreeing to sell 50000 cars they are just making a cool profit of the difference in what they pay over the sales of these units, government of india and its consumer protection agencies should not allow this,if that is the case let all indians import any car ,not just the wealthy ones,also feel car magazines and people doing reviews should be indepent and not spokesperson for car manufacturers.

logan

Posted by Ravi Gupta on Wed, 09 May 2007 (permalink)
The article has been written without mention of much comparison to the ford fiesta diesel,this makes it unintentionally misleading,I have driven both the vehicles and would comment that the logan is no comparison in looks,driving pleasure interiors and the fuel efficiency. The fiesta is way ahead of all its competitors as of now,I would suggest the buyer should look up the alternatives personally and then buy.

indigo lover

Posted by indigo lover on Thu, 10 May 2007 (permalink)
I have driven the ICON, Fiesta, Logan & Indigo. I know Indigo has it's problems tell me one car which is not having any problems. Even a roadside mechanic can start a stalled Indigo in no time, which other car boasts of such simplicity, I had a fuse blow on the Nasik - Dahanu state road 2 o clock in the morning and i was back on road in half hour thanks to the cheap fuse box it has. (Some people in Nasik do not even know this road to Mumbai exists.) If logan is cheap and gives me such simplicity i will definately go for it. + they have to bring the price a bit lower.

Head - Defence

Posted by RAKESH on Fri, 11 May 2007 (permalink)
Friends, I took test drive of Logan diesel about 2 wks ago. Observered the following: +ve 1. Responsive engine 2. Spacious interiors -ve 1. Very poor aircon 2. Awkwardly placed AC controls 3. Wiper/blinkers still for the RHS drive, instrument panel does not distinguish between left and right blinkers 4. Cheap platics My conclusion it is 'Logout' and not 'Log-on'. Make your own decisions and do not be a maniac on the road. Happy driving.

Critic

Posted by Home on Mon, 14 May 2007 (permalink)
Too expensive for what is being offered, why would I pay 7 lacs and still be searching for the power windows button behind the gear. And talk about the looks this car alreay looks a decade old and with more new models being launched think about someone driving in a Logan couple of years down the line. Its like driving a Fiat Uno among the Swifts, Getz and Aveos.

A

Posted by Peri on Thu, 17 May 2007 (permalink)
No one seems to note that M&M has licence to make only 50,000 unit of these cars. What if MM cannot get it's licence extended or dumps this car altogether, the buyers of this car will be the ones like Matiz owners. Who can neither sell nor run these cars. Would like to buy a car whose spares / service will be available for atleast 5 to 10 years.

Logout for Mahindra Renault

Posted by Rajneesh on Fri, 18 May 2007 (permalink)
CarBuyers expected a decent product& price. The Logan is any thing but that. Co must realise that most Indians going in for a three box car belong to a diff socio-eco strata than those buying Logan in Europe.Upwardly mobile, they would not settle for something like it. It screams DOWNMARKET. Owning one would mean " I cannot do any better".Here you need better interiors.Honda did this with the new City.In Logan you can sharpen pencils on the sharp edges. Door handles,wipers& control stalks are all wrong.The pricing is awry. At 7.11 Lacs you can get SX4 Zxi. SX4,Fiesta,Verna and Aveo will clobber the Logan on performance,Accent,Indigo,Ikon & Esteem on price. The nexgen IndiXX series will be much better.With launches like SX4 & Aveo D,Punto& Fabia round the corner, Mahindra needs to seriously redo its strategy. They need to cut prices, improve interiors to have a chance.Time for them(& Auto Journos who have given this car rave reviews)to wake up, smell the coffee or LOG OUT.

its ok

Posted by sandeep on Sat, 19 May 2007 (permalink)
it has struck all the chords,it has looks,comfort,spacious,economy in fuel and price terms,wat else can u expect in this price bracket and it has mahindra backing it up which completes the package

Good, but at a much lower price

Posted by DG on Thu, 24 May 2007 (permalink)
Logan could have been perfect, if Mahindra had priced it right. The top-end diesel version deserved not more than 5 - 5.5L. Indian car buyers want good value in a good looking package. Logan does not provide that and will end up like Peugeot 309 or Fiat Uno... good cars but never became successful. Bad call, Mr. Mahindra. I bet you'll be dropping booking amounts and start giving 1Lac+ discounts after a couple of months.

Another Esteeeeem

Posted by Vasudeva Kotti on Fri, 25 May 2007 (permalink)
I would sump it up with single sentence. Logan is another Esteem. Value for money and just another car. I love my Palio.

M&M is trying to loot people

Posted by Rahul on Wed, 30 May 2007 (permalink)
I feel M&M has priced LOGAN quiet expensively! The price shown on the www.mahindralogan.com website and the prices offered by the authorized dealers are quiet different. The High end diesel variant should be just touching the 6Lac mark and not more... Otherwise why would anyone go for LOGAN as M&M doesnt have strong presence in all parts of India though you may find some mechanics in rural areas who can repair their Commander and other models. Also in addition to such expensive price tag..its not a great looking CAR. Its not a luxury sedan, its just an ordinary commuting vehicle.

Why am I not seeing any Logan's on the street yet?

Posted by Raj on Tue, 05 June 2007 (permalink)
why ppl are not buying? seems like Tata Indigo offers better value for money?

Value for money

Posted by Kaushik on Mon, 18 June 2007 (permalink)
Renault is playing safe cards. The logan is a cheap mode of personal transport for the indian community, perfect for indian middle class. One family person needs a car which should be inexpensive, fuel efficient, better so if it is diesel, should sit 5-6 people (man, wife, 1-2 child and two parents - sukhi family), should have basic comfort like AC, music system,a boot - and Logan gives them all. I will like to own one myself after some knowing initial driving experience from some owners, say an experience of 5000km drive.

FOR Mr. Shyam

Posted by MILIND on Wed, 27 June 2007 (permalink)
Shyam, I can definitely say that you neither drove the car or even saw the car.

R

Posted by Ramesh on Mon, 09 July 2007 (permalink)
Well, I see a lot of bricks and bouquets for the Logan. From a very practical perspective, one must hand it to AM for using his petite management skills and bringing out a product that is well proven, simple to manufacture, acceptable to the consumer and yet make money on the product. I saw the car and I must say that there is a lot of value engineering that has gone into it to make it the car that it is. This is something appreciable by an engineer who know the art of car manufacturing. I even read about someone hurling abusing the Logan badly and would personally not appreciate such a crticism as the Logan is no 'TAXI' but a good practical commuting altenative for the light pocketed Indian. You can touch your heart and guess how may of us can really afford the best looking sedans like Toyota, Merc, Honda Accord and the likes.

Logan

Posted by DG on Thu, 16 August 2007 (permalink)
Dear Friends, I can clearly see the battlelines drawn with pro and anti logan. managed a tet drive recently - dealer seemingly was not keen to sell and wanted to offer competiting brands with him. Logan, apart from space, resembles a lot like early indicas (interiors, pickup etc. Evryone I met at the dealers' showroom wanted to evaluate whether to book now or wait for another 3 months when a host of new cars are expected to be launched in India. Asif talked about big dimensions not being in any other car upto 10lacs (an entry level innova will beat any logan category car hands down in space and pick-up), so get facts right! if you have booked the car, trust yr decision while I will second Ramesh's opinion on checking its performance after 5k km

RENAULT

Posted by AZAD PRAKASH on Mon, 27 August 2007 (permalink)
Well if you ask any Indian HE/SHE would prefer Indigo,Esteem,Fiesta, etc.The Renault is declining it's fame.It should release foreign cars in India

Logan Value for money

Posted by Shenoy on Tue, 28 August 2007 (permalink)
Interesting going through all the comments. Some from people who don't like the looks, others who have just done a test drive, but no comments from anyone who owns one. I own the top end diesel Logan and have done over 3400 kms in the past two months including a 750 km highway drive. After your first service at 2000 kms they change some setting on the engine and pickup is excellent and zooming past 100kms is easy. Mileage is simply amazing. 20kms to a litre on the highway, and I have not gone below 16 kms a litre in the city. Space wise it beats the competition hands down. Looks I feel is very subjective. I personally can't stand the looks of the Swift or Wagon R. MY WIFE did not like the look of our Logan to start with but now loves the car. I think the Look grows on you. Finally, I am extremely happy with my decision and would recommend the diesel Logan for space, economy and a great ride. Don't worry u will get used to the looks. I have.

bhati

Posted by dalji on Sat, 08 September 2007 (permalink)
I have bought a logan 1.6 GLS (fully loaded) about 4 days back and driven it for two days it is a powerful vehicle with very sensitive power steering, the brakes are sure and soft, the AC cooling is very effective, the drivers seat is adjustable up and down a neccessary feature, i am 6 feet and 105 kgs and feel comfortable in the car and it enhances my personality, and think it is giving more then 15 Kpl (Petrol)yes there are some visibility probs while reversing but suppose will find a way out the seller also gave me a good discount I suppose people who are writing comments do not own the car and are just shooting in the blue it is agood car one must know how to drive

hypocritics

Posted by srinivasan on Wed, 19 September 2007 (permalink)
most of the bloggers dads drove a amby or fiat and neither of them complained now that the younger gen is spoilt for choice they are ignoring the workability factor and simply bamboozling the poor logan at the end of the day none of the fancy looks counts its only the driveability factor and cheaper spares that see you through especially in a country like ours if you consider the small tin box maruti a great car , this logan is miles ahead then rest of the pack and the pricing is spot on . yes there are more better cars out there but so are our insane drivers on insanely crowded roads with autos and holy cows and the odd thela wala . go get your expensive car fixed with higher spares and where in the world do you think you can drive like an autobahn driver in india? would the extra bhp, a nicer looking car count much then

AWESOME!!

Posted by Girish Sampath on Sun, 23 September 2007 (permalink)
Renault may be playing safe cards, bu I seriously do doubt it! I mean like, why the heck would they release such a hyped up car, if they didn't have any concrete plans for it. This seriously is plain weird! They gave no consideration, to the thought whether overpricing it would be wrong?wtf?

sigiganporia

Posted by Jangoo on Mon, 24 September 2007 (permalink)
Pray tell me why r Indian made cars so x'pensive?? Even the Logan with bare minimum essentials is priced,more than countries abroad !! Why r we not reducing the o'all cost effectively instead of cutting on engine displacement and length of vehicle to reduce taxes ?? Chindi Chor ??

Value for money..?

Posted by yusaf on Wed, 26 September 2007 (permalink)
how can we say the logan to be value for money..? its plastics are cheap, in the level of maruti 800, even though in beige colour. engines are having only 8 valves. so less performance.that also means cheap engine. i have a friend who bought a diesel logan, who emits smoke like anything, i am wondering if it is bharathIII.we pay 7.5 lakhs for the top end diesel model and end up getting the SNOB value of MARUTI 800. but the ride is ok, good fuel efficiency(since it cant sip more fuel through those 8 valves), and space(even though seats lack support). that makes it a perfect TAXI car

Very practical car - Value for money

Posted by Sribabu on Sun, 30 September 2007 (permalink)
I own a Logan 1.4 GLE and Iam happy with the decision. Besides its 8 value engine, the engine refinement is good and gives enough power and fuel economy. With about 1,000 km done, I get about 11 kpl in the city at an average speed of about 25 kmph. Suspension is good and the ride comfort is excellent compared to Esteem or Indigo. The sturdy built provides stability at high speeds.A/C is excellent. Very spacious car, fit a CNG kit and you wil still find space for baggage. The visibility problems, as with any 3 box car, while reversing could be solved with a reverse sensor that comes for Rs 3,000 and can be found these days on many high end cars. I see most of the criticism has come from road tests. Plastics are not of very high quality but are of quality enough for a long life. Make no mistake, this is a car built for value customers. It is a very practical car and comes at a price (Rs 5.3 lacs on road with necessary accesories, delhi) that beats many of similar sized cars.

why is the paint quality of bumbers so poor

Posted by yusaf on Thu, 04 October 2007 (permalink)
i cant undestand why mahindra has given very poor paint finish to the body coloured bumber. It looks as if its not a part of the rest of the body. And i heard that mahindra has not painted the inside surface of the panels, so as to reduce cost. and so we have to do the painting during the service, so as to avoid rust. Is there any truth behind this..?

Janta Car/ Taxi

Posted by Apurva on Tue, 16 October 2007 (permalink)
I have seen the Logan every inch, people think it is cheaply priced, but I must add, cheap in product quality, not cheap in price. They are charging full for what they are giving and certainly not value for money. Interiors are very ordinary and ergonomics is too poor. However it is best suited for Taxi. It will see tough time ahead when SWIFT SEDAN of Maruti will be launched (around Jan,'08) at approx.Rs.50,000/- cheaper & mind it it would be better in each and every respect. My sixth sense says it's best suited for taxi.

Marketing Manager

Posted by Raju on Wed, 31 October 2007 (permalink)
No one spoke about Product Support and Dealerships which are very few in number ! Any comments on this aspect should also be thought of !

indians dont like it, when it feels cheap.

Posted by yusaf on Sun, 04 November 2007 (permalink)
The logan's sales figures show that, indians dont like the cars, which feel to be very cheap. Logan is not doing well as we have thought. sx4 is doing more numbers than logan, even though it is much costlier. We can see that both logan and sx4 are good value for money. But the latter does not feel cheap. Thats the reason why it is doing very well in the market. Logan cannot even compete with swift diesel. So its certain that it will definitely be beaten by swift sedan when it comes in 2008. beaten, very badly. Indigo is cheaper. it is not reliable. but it dont feel cheap, and give better equipment than logan. but it is a generation old now. thats why the sales are dropping

Consultant

Posted by BALASARMA on Mon, 12 November 2007 (permalink)
ITs time for MAHINDR's to look at the service issues. Its almost one month now that i have reported that accelerator has gone out of my control. First Time--Sales Manager stated that paper got struck in the engine in the place where pull push happens when we use accelerator. Second Time - --some problem in the cable and the same has been adjusted - -given by service manager-Third Time -Service Manager - -claimed that the said cable and the entire set has been replaced. This matter has been escalated upto ANAND MAHINDRA and to my surprise people down his line has taken the matter at their personal front and there is no sign of positive attitude in the entire MAHINDRA team with whom i have discussed.Quite Frustrating- - - -PLEASE BE CAREFUL BEFORE YOU BUY MAHINDRA

To Buy or Not ?

Posted by Hian on Fri, 01 February 2008 (permalink)
I feel some of the comments are biased on this blog eitherway...Also i understand that some of the comments were written by dealers or their sales people...It's funny to read that in the first service they change some setting and the car zooms...:-). Also we should be proud to say that we are now better off than our family seniors..wherein we were admiring the looks of Ambassadors and PAL...we were admiring the change in looks between the Ambassador Mark1,Mark 2...Premier ,Padmini,PAL,..FIAT..Premier 118 NE... And then Maruti came...and shrinked the Cars and danced the monolpoly for some time... and then Hyundai's Ford's etc came to wake up Maruti...Today we criticise the looks of Renault ,Mahindra's and the Tata's.Long Live Democracy...!

Buy or Not ?

Posted by Hian on Fri, 01 February 2008 (permalink)
It's indeed a great discussion.I stumbled on this site trying to arrive at a decision on a Logan Diesel or an Indica Dicor.I understand that the negatives are pick up,using AC impacts the power,looks are not impressive,controls are not usual for indicators,wipers,power windows,etc.,The positives should be spacious,good mileage,Renault engine,Luxury while travelling long. I had been for a test drive.I find it is true that drive was not so smooth,may be i was wrong because this is the first time i drove a brand new vehicle..Another thing that comes to my mind is that AC was not so effective..My personal opinion.The looks become good if we think this is my pride..it is not very influencing factor.

Good Value But???

Posted by Jats on Sun, 03 February 2008 (permalink)
Took a Test Drive of 1.4 GLX . The Logan indeed is a comfortable vehicle. It rides well . Its handles well on rough roads . Lots and Lots of Space . Tired of these small cars , where people are packed like sardine. -Ves are , didnt find it powerful enough. Lack of Power . Not sure if the 1.6 will solve that issue. Again Mileage might be an issue with 1.6 . An esteem with 1.3 Engine pulls better than 1.4 Logan. But Esteem lacks the space and comfort of Logan. The real fear being that M&M has a licence only for 50k cars . As somebody here quoted , shouldnt become like a Matiz where it is a Good Product but maintaineance and resale a nightmare.

for its price...logan is ok !!

Posted by Ashish Nagpal on Thu, 21 February 2008 (permalink)
If the budget is not more than 7 Lacs and you want to buy a diesel sedan, you don't have any option but Indigo and Logan; and here Logan wins. Anything else like fiesta or Verna will cost you 1.5 lacs to 2 lacs more. Therefore for its price it makes sense. And there is no point in cribbing about Logan costly in India as compared to west. This is true for all the cars across industry with the sole reason of govt. extracting huge taxes from the auto industry.

logan diesel car

Posted by narendra chaudhary on Mon, 25 February 2008 (permalink)
I am intrested to buy logan diesel car with power windows and central locking.kindly reply

LOGON is best

Posted by Chetan on Mon, 10 March 2008 (permalink)
I had bought Logan DLX 4-5 month back droved 4500Kms. The car is absolutely fine and having no complaint. I am getting 20 Kmpl average.

Sukhi

Posted by Sukhvinder Singh on Tue, 15 April 2008 (permalink)
f the budget is not more than 7 Lacs and you want to buy a diesel sedan, you don't have any option but Indigo and Logan; and here Logan wins. Anything else like fiesta or Verna will cost you 1.5 lacs to 2 lacs more. Therefore for its price it makes sense.

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